The most famous probably being Aragorn, son of Arathorn. None of this, however, is the real problem I have with their casting decision. Aegon being cut or not should not be a factor. Giving it to Trystane!?
Her existence speaks to the very heart of the themes of the Song of Ice and Fire series — 1, when the high lords play their games it is always the innocent who suffer Water Gardens? Her learning the lesson when Myrcella is hurt? It MATTERS that Dorne lets their females inherit, and not the least bit because of the Dance of Dragons civil wars and themes that are clearly about to be repeated as history always does [and probably, with fake!
Abi Quote Reply. I do not think he planned it from the start. Only Manderly came close. What I can say is that the show will lose the best thing about Dorne when they cut Arianne. She is a woman who is the rightful heir of the Dornish kingdom, the only rightful female heir by default in the story so far. By crowning Myrcella, she takes a stand for female equality and I think she does it so her father will see.
Obviously, her relief when she hears the truth from her father is huge and she begins trusting him and becoming his daughter again. She undergoes a massive change. Meanwhile, the Sand Snakes are a bunch of cookie-cutter badass sexy women and Trystane is nothing at all.
To remove Arianne and keep ALL three Sand Snakes when one could easily have been delayed to season 6 in favor of casting Arianne is simply stupid. Arianne is the center of the Dornish storyline and it becomes a huge mess without her. In terms of casting, Arianne is at this point far far more important than all the Sand Snakes combined.
Surely, they could have delayed one Sand Snake to make room for her or just combined a Sand Snake into her- which is far smarter than destroying a main character and deciding her up between minor ones. Well, that sucks. Dragonslayer Quote Reply. IIRC Doran, in a round about way, admits this was a mistake on his part. Well said.
This is probably the first major change that I am unhappy with. And it affects other story lines. Like everything else about Dorne, he is interesting because he is different from the other players, including Oberyn.
I fear that we will instead get a sickly, world-weary man who lets everyone else determine the course of events. Hear me out…in the books, Arianne thinks during her captivity that she wishes that she was more like her cousins and admires them. Ashara D Quote Reply. Axechucker : mariamb ,. Pau Quote Reply. We never received an official casting announcement. I imagine Griff and Young Griff will be the same. Shooting starts on Monday.
I think Aegon was always a part of the story. He said the story line for the major characters was decided before the first book. Varys being a major game player would have been locked.
However, let me picture some possible lines from the season to come, when explaining to Myrcella why she should be on the Iron Throne. My older sister was, until she died of a fever. Lyanna Mormont Quote Reply. I even had a big rant about it and the way the show has portrayed women, specifically Brienne, who is one of my favorites in the books, this season which seems to have become quite popular on Tumblr.
But thinking about it with a cooler head… this is what I think. I see only two possible explanations:. This seems extremely unlikely: I would be surprised if GRRM built up Arianne so much and made her a complex POV character across two books just to kill her off early and have her come to absolutely nothing even Quentyn has some plot relevance.
Annara Snow Quote Reply. And what I really wanted to post…. So it leads me to thinking…. Could it be possible that its the Golden Company that actually joined Yonkai?
Its the only Sellsword company mentioned besides the Second sons lol. I dont expect him to take Quentyns role fully with the Dragons being release I hope not lol but he will definitely be in Meereen if thats the Sellsword company Yunkai hires. It made perfect sense to m while sleeping lol it could be that they are ditching Aegon having his own storyline and taking Storms end for time and just move him towards Meereen so hes with the other characters. I hope this is somewhat true lol….
Kyrion Quote Reply. Ellaria strikes me as way too level-headed and caring. Of course, having an heiress to Sunspear would drive the point of crowning Myrcella home more decisively, but if they introduce the custom effectively enough, it might still work.
Having said that, I still want Arianne. King Tommen Quote Reply. Has it been officially confirmed by anyone at HBO that Arianne has been cut? Arianne feared Doran placing Quentyn as heir to Sunspear, maybe they are just replacing Quentyn with Trystane. Maybe they are just changing the ages around. Plenty of roles, some even very significant, were revealed after the Comic-Con Casting Video. TheNed Quote Reply. I agree that more casting announcements should be coming.
Not sure how Jaqen will fit in. Has that been confirmed, BTW? With the Boltons at Winterfell, some of the Northern lords have to be cast. Hopefully, its Manderly. This may be premature but has there been any confirmation about Roger Allam and if he will be returning as Illyrio? IMDB has him listed for episode 5. Not trying to sound like a broken record about this already had a friendly debate on another thread about the issue but I believe the exclusion of Arianne has more to do with Aegon than anything about the Arianne character herself.
They know how things will play out. If Aegon is cut then they probably worked backwards and eliminated or changed everything tied to his plot. Unfortunately Arianne is a casualty of adaptation. But hopefully they can fold most of her strengths into the Sand Snakes and Ellaria. Sunfyre Quote Reply. I agree. We get 3 whole Sand Snakes tho! What is he going to DO for S5? DarthRachel Quote Reply. Next season is going to be a test for us to see if we can REALLY differentiate between the books and the TV show and see them as two truly separate entities and separate works of art.
That is the healthy outlook to take for those of us who continue to watch the show. Arianne is probably the most interesting character from that region not named Oberyn. To go Dorne heavy next season without her is baffling. Al Swearengen Quote Reply. In fact, viewers were specifically told otherwise last year.
More on this below. I totally agree with all of this. I was not a fan of Martin taking a character that we had repeatedly been told was dead and not only revealing that he was still alive but that he was set up to be a major new contender for the throne. It made perfect sense. I had absolutely no interest in Aegon as yet another lost Targaryen prince attempting to claim his rightful throne.
But Aegon as the unwitting, possibly illegitimate puppet and secret endgame of one of the most enigmatic characters in the series is fascinating. I heartily agree that Arianne is not defined as a character by her potential relationship with Aegon.
Nor should she be! She is her own woman, and a strong, interesting one at that. I think that it will be Ellaria and Obara who take the lead on that conspiracy, not Trystane. The leaked audition videos seem to hint at this. Trystane was cast because his betrothal to Myrcella had been established in the show back in Season 2. I would have rather have had her than the Sand Snakes. But I think that the Dorne storyline will still be an interesting one.
Definitely not. The second leaked casting list I received had the two young girls, and Varamyr Sixskins. So there will be more castings. There may not be official announcements but there are more characters out there.
But I have severe doubts Arianne is one of them. Great post Axey! However it is sad knowing Arianne will most likely not be a part of the show. Morgan Quote Reply. TaviColen Quote Reply. Cumsprite Quote Reply. Now on to Axey stuff: I like your theories. How much of a stretch is it to expect a couple of semi-major characters not on the leaked list to be cast? Do you think Manderly and Jeyne Poole are cut, for instance?
A simple internet search would lead directly to the reveal of Aegon. It is best to keep Aegon and anyone associated with this character a secret. Is it likely at this point she is in? No, but its possible. Plus, I much rather see some Manderlys than Arianne. Dorne can still be plenty of fun without Arianne, but the North needs some Manderly action. I always thought at least 3 Sand Snakes would make the show. Remove Arianne and have the Sand Snakes take over some of her role makes sense as a time-saver.
Then have Ellaria and Trystane take over other aspects of Arianne and her role is covered for the most part. Trystane becomes a bigger player and is aged up to a prince in his late teens. He takes over the role of Quentyn without being dragon charred and covers that marriage alliance aspect of Aegon as well. Removing Arianne also allows them to cut Young Griff and company out as well — Another large time saving cut! Even if Aegon is important to the books debatable at best that does not mean the TV series needs him.
They are two different entities. No second army invading Westeros within minutes of meeting this new character while Dany sits in Meereen for another season or two. It streamlines a great deal and does not detract from Dany. Varys and Illyrio can be Dany supporters from the beginning since the show has never shown them to be anything other than that, or for that matter introduced the Great Bastards or any of the complex history needed for many of the possibly cut sub-plots to make sense.
All of that history and the exposition it would require can be cut. Another huge time saver. That is imperative since they need the final 2 seasons to cover the material from the final two books. The cuts would allow them to have more time to concentrate on fewer characters making a much more linear story that is more TV friendly. Darquemode Quote Reply.
The casting is typically timed with the filming schedule so there could be a delay before we hear about other arcs having their casting done. I remember us not hearing about Mance until late August when S3 was filming as one example of this.
I just wanted to avoid spoiler tags. Besides, the show is too violent for my tastes. As Sue mentioned, even the leaked casting call had characters on it that have not had their actors announced. Agreed with almost everything you wrote. Could look harsh to some fans — but it seems very realistic on the other hand.
Because he is TV journalist and so far from the day 1 knows things or two other mortals do not. What if the other characters are just the ones on the list? That leaked list could be the full extent of named characters, the rest being one-offs.
Oh I definitely agree that she is most likely cut or combined with another character. There is still additional casting to be made. The one thing I do cling to hope for is a Tower of Joy scene. Unlikely seeing how little they do flashbacks, but with the Cersei scene maybe we will start to see a few more…. Neat little cast interview with James Hibberd at EW.
GRRM reveals that he will not be writing an episode for season 5. Arianne not being cast this season has little to do with whether or not Aegon is cut. The need for a marriage would be season 6. Cast her in season 6 for that purpose.
A simple reference to her next season is all you need, just like Oberyn talking about his 8 daughters. Why would a show and story that is known for being unpredictable, have a story line that is as predictable as Dany comes to westeros and claims the throne. Streamlining a story into something that predictable would be a major fail.
I call bullshit. While GRRM not writing an episode would be big disappointment in the first couple years of the show, things have evolved to the point where his episodes lately, while still being good, no longer distinguish themselves as being a cut above the others during the season. I know that plenty of people will be disappointed in the absence of Arianne because of the fact she is a strong female character — and more than that one that is destined to ascend to power and rule by her own right.
There is also an interesting comparison you can make between her and Cersei, the main female character of book four. However, can a character be included purely because of those reasons? If her role in this story, which we as yet know little about, can be carried out by other characters, if there is no crucial element that requires the female heir to Dorne to work, then unfortunately cutting her is a logical decision.
Just the way it is. The author's selection of which chapters to release has been interesting, as they seem deliberately chosen to comment on events on HBO's Game Of Thrones — specifically, how much the show is diverging from its source material. Most recently, that means a chapter devoted to Arianne Martell, the daughter of Prince Doran of Dorne… and a character that doesn't exist on the show at all.
So why was Arianne cut from Game Of Thrones? Other than this latest Arianne chapter, Martin has also released excerpts featuring Sansa still safely masquerading as Alayne in the Vale rather than wed to psychotic Ramsay Bolton , Tyrion Lannister still on the road to Meereen rather than ruling it , Ser Barristan still alive rather than killed in battle , among others.
The newly-released Arianne chapter is actually the second devoted to the Dornish princess, both of which were supposedly cut from A Dance With Dragons and moved to the sixth book instead, according to Martin's own blog. These two chapters center around the execution of Prince Doran's plan to unite with the Targaryens against the Lannisters. He has sent his son Quentyn also cut from the show to find and wed Daenerys. Meanwhile, Doran receives word that someone named Jon Connington — the best friend of Rhaegar Targaryen and former Hand of the King, long presumed dead — has returned to Westeros with a mighty army of sellswords and a boy he claims to be Aegon Targaryen, the son of Rhaegar and Elia Martell who was supposedly murdered by The Mountain during the sack of King's Landing.
Register Don't have an account? Arianne Martell. Edit source History Talk 0. Appearance and Character [ ] Arianne is described to be young in her early twenties when she appears in the books and to be physically gorgeous in a number of ways.
Of course, over time, more and more characters from Great Houses were introduced but even more were present in the novels. Not all of the big characters from the books, however, made their way to the TV adaptation. One popular character in the book series that never made her way to Game of Thrones was Arianne Martell. Myrcella Baratheon was previously sent to Dorne to marry into House Martell as an act of allegiance. It was heavily speculated that Doran's eldest child, Arianne, would be involved, but instead, her sibling in the book, Trystane, was involved in the TV series.
Many book readers were disappointed by the absence of Arianne due to her interesting story arc. Arianne is portrayed as highly intelligent and cunning, with a sense of empowerment, as she stands up to the men who try to act superior.
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